First, I briefly summarize statistics on the fiscal impact of immigration in Denmark, taken from an official government report. Second, I add my own analysis on violent crime conviction rates by nation of origin. Together they give a more complete overview of immigration in Denmark.
Whenever people try to argue immigrants aren't a net cost they usually use these tricks:
1) Disproportionally count prime age working years. Pretend they never one day need a pension or have to have their kids educated.
2) Call the descendants of immigrants natives (as a technical question of citizenship in a birthright citizenship country this is true, but we all know its trying to hide the ball).
3) Mix high end immigrant groups in with low end immigrant groups, when we all know its the low end immigrant groups people are worried about.
4) Only count the most direct costs. Ignore things like that they pay $X towards education expense when the state spends $Y educating their children where $Y > $X.
The most obvious answer is that the performance of any immigrant group will probably resemble the performance of natives with similar average IQ. If your way off from that, somebody is playing with the numbers.
Wow! How clearly written… Imagine if this was front page and someone saw these numbers… Instead same handful that watch FNC and listen to talk radio, the literate ones will be exposed… But the entire world not just an esoteric subset (Kamela Harris) world watches ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS and reads NY Times and WAPO
Old news… Goes back to late 70s early 80s… Daimler Benz importing Turkish labor etc…
Same issues growing in intensity with larger populations not assimilating… Immigrants permitted to demand their cultural norms… Same norms requiring their seeking work, security, civilization, welfare in West…
Same issues never obtaining relative importance in news… Systematically intentionally ignored for half a century
Same issue in 1975 as will be in 2025… Complete takeover by activist, socialist, propagandist press… A press brainwashed by complete takeover by radical liberal Marxists schools… Liberals controlling nearly 100% of speech… TV, Print, Movies, Music, Big Tech, throttling reality more year after year… Marxist propaganda Anaconda… Fear of not getting a raise, losing a job, fear of loosing customers in boycott, fear of being called racist or un woke and being unwelcome socially at the market, private school or country club
Great story… Bet there is a similar one, early 80s Germany and the author was called a Fascist, an extremely bad apple in today’s basket of deplorable
This data is misleading in that many of the “less remunerative” nationalities of immigrant do the hard physical work that allows Danes and “more remunerative” immigrants to hold high-end jobs. Poor immigrants slaughter Denmark’s pigs and pick its fruit and vegetables so the creative class can focus on Danish design. Poor immigrants take care of Denmark’s elderly so their children and grandchildren can build and show PowerPoints to their consultant clients. Just because immigrants work in low wage jobs doesn’t mean they have no value to the society.
It would be interesting (if possible) to see the crime stats adjusted for wealth level. At least in the US, that seems to have a notable impact on crime rates. I.e.: poor people of any race commit more crime.
"MENAPT" is a weirder term than "MENA". Pakistan may be a Muslim country, but it's South Asian and more sensibly lumped in with Bangladesh than any part of Africa.
"Along with age composition, they also control for various familial socioeconomic indicators."
I don't even think that this is appropriate. If immigrants have poor socioeconomics because they are immigrants and they do crime because they are poor, they do crime because they are immigrants. Adjusting for socioeconomic simply "accounts for" one of the things we are trying to measure.
How about adjusting this based on economic status? Lets see how many Danes are violent within the homeless category. Conversely lets look at immigrants who are documented + educated +employed. I am sure the numbers would change drastically. I am not defending anyone but these graphs only take some variables based on 'convenience' as an analytical factor. It is obvious that immigrants with no access to any form of welfare and support will try to feed themselves through crime. Fix the system and everything will follow swiftly.
At a chart named "Violent crime conviction rates for immigrants in 2010–2021 by nation of origin" there are countries like: Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia and Soviet Union - why?
Plain and simple, immigrants are a burden both for the economy and society, since only some of them truly came there to work and prosper, the rest are there to play dirty and grab free cash from government. If we don't put a stop to it, then they will use the locals in most terrible ways. This will not work out because some people need to be educated and controlled daily in order to be a part of society and to become a part of it with heart and soul. Few generations isn't going to be enough, considering Europe is accepting refugees in milions, while a country such as Denmark has room for maybe 50 thousand of people for few years in order to educate them properly so they blend in.
Some arguments for immigration that are also interesting: There are that many uses of tax money are non excludable, like spending money on the military. If one added many more immigrants only some costs would go up such as welfare spending, but roads, the military, government bureaucracy all would not cost more.
Another argument is that when immigrants are employed they are helping the economy even if they are a drain on taxes. If you have some janitor that will get more welfare and pension money than he pays in taxes over his life, he is still helping the economy by doing his job and he might well be beneficial to the Danisch economy on net.
Whenever people try to argue immigrants aren't a net cost they usually use these tricks:
1) Disproportionally count prime age working years. Pretend they never one day need a pension or have to have their kids educated.
2) Call the descendants of immigrants natives (as a technical question of citizenship in a birthright citizenship country this is true, but we all know its trying to hide the ball).
3) Mix high end immigrant groups in with low end immigrant groups, when we all know its the low end immigrant groups people are worried about.
4) Only count the most direct costs. Ignore things like that they pay $X towards education expense when the state spends $Y educating their children where $Y > $X.
The most obvious answer is that the performance of any immigrant group will probably resemble the performance of natives with similar average IQ. If your way off from that, somebody is playing with the numbers.
Water is wet.
Wow! How clearly written… Imagine if this was front page and someone saw these numbers… Instead same handful that watch FNC and listen to talk radio, the literate ones will be exposed… But the entire world not just an esoteric subset (Kamela Harris) world watches ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS and reads NY Times and WAPO
Old news… Goes back to late 70s early 80s… Daimler Benz importing Turkish labor etc…
Same issues growing in intensity with larger populations not assimilating… Immigrants permitted to demand their cultural norms… Same norms requiring their seeking work, security, civilization, welfare in West…
Same issues never obtaining relative importance in news… Systematically intentionally ignored for half a century
Same issue in 1975 as will be in 2025… Complete takeover by activist, socialist, propagandist press… A press brainwashed by complete takeover by radical liberal Marxists schools… Liberals controlling nearly 100% of speech… TV, Print, Movies, Music, Big Tech, throttling reality more year after year… Marxist propaganda Anaconda… Fear of not getting a raise, losing a job, fear of loosing customers in boycott, fear of being called racist or un woke and being unwelcome socially at the market, private school or country club
Great story… Bet there is a similar one, early 80s Germany and the author was called a Fascist, an extremely bad apple in today’s basket of deplorable
doesnt matter if the inferior non whites cost the danes 45 trillion an hour they will not stop the invasion
This data is misleading in that many of the “less remunerative” nationalities of immigrant do the hard physical work that allows Danes and “more remunerative” immigrants to hold high-end jobs. Poor immigrants slaughter Denmark’s pigs and pick its fruit and vegetables so the creative class can focus on Danish design. Poor immigrants take care of Denmark’s elderly so their children and grandchildren can build and show PowerPoints to their consultant clients. Just because immigrants work in low wage jobs doesn’t mean they have no value to the society.
I had come across a snippet of this data (these data) a while ago in the Economist. This analysis here is more in depth.
Now, are there grounds to believe the situation being any different in other European countries?
Another well presented set of statistics. I discuss historical reasons for these patterns here.
https://helendale.substack.com/p/migration-as-social-imperial-project
It would be interesting (if possible) to see the crime stats adjusted for wealth level. At least in the US, that seems to have a notable impact on crime rates. I.e.: poor people of any race commit more crime.
"MENAPT" is a weirder term than "MENA". Pakistan may be a Muslim country, but it's South Asian and more sensibly lumped in with Bangladesh than any part of Africa.
"Along with age composition, they also control for various familial socioeconomic indicators."
I don't even think that this is appropriate. If immigrants have poor socioeconomics because they are immigrants and they do crime because they are poor, they do crime because they are immigrants. Adjusting for socioeconomic simply "accounts for" one of the things we are trying to measure.
How about adjusting this based on economic status? Lets see how many Danes are violent within the homeless category. Conversely lets look at immigrants who are documented + educated +employed. I am sure the numbers would change drastically. I am not defending anyone but these graphs only take some variables based on 'convenience' as an analytical factor. It is obvious that immigrants with no access to any form of welfare and support will try to feed themselves through crime. Fix the system and everything will follow swiftly.
At a chart named "Violent crime conviction rates for immigrants in 2010–2021 by nation of origin" there are countries like: Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia and Soviet Union - why?
Plain and simple, immigrants are a burden both for the economy and society, since only some of them truly came there to work and prosper, the rest are there to play dirty and grab free cash from government. If we don't put a stop to it, then they will use the locals in most terrible ways. This will not work out because some people need to be educated and controlled daily in order to be a part of society and to become a part of it with heart and soul. Few generations isn't going to be enough, considering Europe is accepting refugees in milions, while a country such as Denmark has room for maybe 50 thousand of people for few years in order to educate them properly so they blend in.
Good article.
Some arguments for immigration that are also interesting: There are that many uses of tax money are non excludable, like spending money on the military. If one added many more immigrants only some costs would go up such as welfare spending, but roads, the military, government bureaucracy all would not cost more.
Another argument is that when immigrants are employed they are helping the economy even if they are a drain on taxes. If you have some janitor that will get more welfare and pension money than he pays in taxes over his life, he is still helping the economy by doing his job and he might well be beneficial to the Danisch economy on net.
https://www.gofundme.com/f/translation-report-on-immigration-costs
Hopefully this gets published soon so we can get a more in-depth picture, been waiting a while for it.